joining us now the "a team" former clinton advisor doug shoen and democratic campaign strategist with joe trip be. kevin, you were urged tweeting throughout the debate were you surprised or impressed by governor romney's other domination? >> i have not been impressed in person. he does not come off as being that commanding. he gets complaints about being vague about his agenda but he was so quick and ready it took the edge off. i was pleasantly surprised. >> totally. he is an expert. more likable and commanding than i expected. and the president was stammering, unfocused. lou: sitting there watching this i could not believe anyone seeking to hold the office would have his head down not address his opponent. it was bad manners aside from everything else. >> i agree i was surprised how sharp he was. it was a great performance. but barack obama with plenty of the debates hillary and edwards drove the debates pushing forward. he did not engaged later he got better. >> have you ever seen a better debater? >> there have been. lou: i am curious. >> ronald reagan. lou: he lost in the first one. >